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I have a question about the blood video

by blindersoff in

jw
friends

during the week of jan 30 at the service meeting, the society's video "a video that highlights an important medical trend" will be discussed using the 12 questions listed below.

does any one know if any of the information in this particular video is mis-quoted or mis-represented?

notice that none of these questions involve scriptures - only medical viewpoints.

IT Support

I don't suppose anyone has a transcript of the video? I have a feeling it might become extremely valuable evidence ...

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Ordering a copy of 'Journal of Church and State'

by IT Support in

the journal of church and state is adjusting their website to include a place to order the blood article and to be able to order a single issue, etc.

if someone wants to order the autumn 2005 issue immediately they can e-mail pat cornett: [email protected]

(barbara's thread, but she's used up her two-thread limit for today!

IT Support

The Journal of Church and State is adjusting their website to include a place to order the Blood article and to be able to order a single issue, etc.

If someone wants to order the Autumn 2005 issue immediately they can e-mail Pat Cornett: [email protected]

(Barbara's thread, but she's used up her two-thread limit for today!)

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Together, we will make a difference!

by AndersonsInfo in

while we wait for the release of "big news" please consider this:.

severus's new thread suggesting "big news email clearing house" is excellent.

and here is what it support suggested on page 18 of the huge "big news" thread:.

IT Support

YoursChelbie ,

Good questions...

Will we be sending out e-mail notices of the Big News or will this "clearing house" be sending out the notices once we forward to them a list of local agencies' e-mail addresses we compile?

To be honest, and this is just my personal opinion, I'm not in favour of sending emailing addresses to a central clearing house. I think it raises just the sort of problems you mention.

I favour the idea of those of us who wish to get involved, making our own lists and sending out the emails ourselves. After all, I guess it's not like we're going to be sending out millions of emails that would get our ISP annoyed, more like a hundred or two I suppose.

Again, it's a personal decision whether or not to use our real names: many here would like to but feel contrained by family circumstances to retain their anonymity. Fine. Create an anonymous email account on Hotmail or Yahoo or whatever.

Barbara will no doubt give us some guidance of what to write, or at least will no doubt post a copy of one of the ones she has written, which we can then use as a template.

Will the "clearing house" be sifting thru the e-mail address we give them to avoid sending duplicate e-mails?

Another good reason for sending out our emails ourselves.

If we have e-mail addresses of private citizens such as our former elders, or our relatives who are still active JW are we to forward these private e-mail addresses to the "clearing house"?

I would suggest to definitely not to send in private email addresses. If I thought my private email address had been given to someone else without my permission, I'd get really annoyed. But if a personal friend sent me an email, that would be quite a different matter.

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

IT Support

Swalker,

IT Support...this is exactly what I have a problem with:

I replied to this post when you duplicated it in the BIG NEWS - RESPONSIBILITY thread...

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Scandal of December 2005 km

by IT Support in

the december canadian kingdom ministry has an article "could your child make a mature decision.

" it instructs parents to indoctrinate their kids to refuse blood and make themselves a martyr.

this, to me, was one of the most chilling sentences in the article (paragraph 3):

IT Support

Thanks Haelcer.

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BIG NEWS - RESPONSIBILITY

by peggy in

jw
friends

i am sure i am in the minority, and i am as anxious as the next one to know what the big news is.

still.......i find the big news post irresponsible!

big today is far better for everyone, then big news is coming!

IT Support

Swalker,

I hope this is NOT a blood issue...it has been before the courts for years and viewed upside down and inside out.

I guess we'll just have to wait till Barbara tells us what it is.

I for one appreciate the Constitution upholding our rights to choose in this matter. I will NOT be an activist for trying to change freedom.

There's probably not a single person here who would disagree with you, certainly not me.

That being said, I don't think that children should die at the hands of uneducated parents and I do agree that in that case drs. should administer what they feel is needed. If a dr. gives a child a blood transfusion and the parents disagree with that decision, then they will just have to get over it and realize it was the dr. not them that is responsible.

-ditto-

I think the WTS should change their stance on that issue.

I'm going from memory here, but I don't think the elders would hold the parents responsible in this situation. But I could just as easily be wrong...

But as an adult, I want the right to choose and I don't want to be forced to take any treatment that I don't want.

I don't think anyone's arguing with you here...

If, however, the GB owns bloodbanks, and is giving transfusions at Bethel, then I'm in! That would be BIG NEWS!!!

<lol>

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BIG NEWS - RESPONSIBILITY

by peggy in

jw
friends

i am sure i am in the minority, and i am as anxious as the next one to know what the big news is.

still.......i find the big news post irresponsible!

big today is far better for everyone, then big news is coming!

IT Support

Some seem to be criticizing Barbara for giving advance notice of what is about to happen. But she had a very good reason for giving advance notice. It was to ensure we made an impact. Is it wrong to want to make an impact? You might have the most devastating news around about the WT, but if you don't tell anyone, you might as well be pissing in the wind. You'll achieve nothing.

In order to make the maximum impact from the Big News, the media and other professions around the world need to be notified. But we're not professional PR people: sure, you can hire a firm who have contacts with all the 'right' people to make a big impact, but that's going to cost mega bucks we don't have. So we have to rely on doing things ourselves. Does that reduce the professionalism of the impact? Perhaps. But what we lose in professionalism, we more than make up for with the passion and enthusiasm of people who have a lot to gain from seeing WT getting its come-uppance. Plus, if thousands of people around the world all email contacts local to them, it adds a personal touch that no amount of slick professionalism can match. (Not that I've anything against slick professionalism, I just can't afford it!)

If some people would read the threads more carefully, they would see that Barbara didn't mention it just to tease (though that's good fun as well ), but to generate a bit of excitement and to give us all time to gather together our email contacts so when it does break, we can achieve maximum impact by waging our own electronic blitzkrieg.

Those who are griping and complaining are the equivalent of the kid who throws a screaming tantrum in the middle of the supermarket, shrieking to their mom, "I want it NOW." So let me turn this around to those who are so upset and ask them, since you first learned that something Big was about to break, what have YOU done to prepare to tell everyone in your locality about it? How many people are on YOUR email list? It takes time to gather that information, to trawl the internet, to call people up in the many local organizations that would benefit from this information and ask for their email addresses. Then, you can call yourself an ACTIVIST, and do something positive to strike back at WT rather than just moan about those who are doing something.

If you need more information on what to do, see http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/103353/1788381/post.ashx#1788381.

So, was Barbara wrong to give people here advance warning of what was about to happen? Absolutely not.

OK, it's unfortunate that the information is taking a couple of days longer than expected to be published. As others have already said, months ago Barbara was given a general indication that the material would be published 'around the middle of December.' A week or so ago, she was then told it would be Monday 12th, so she started her Big News thread on Saturday 10th. Not unreasonable, I'd suggest. Yesterday she learned there was illness at the publishers and the material would be delayed a couple of days.

Big deal. Grow up. Get some email addresses.

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Scandal of December 2005 km

by IT Support in

the december canadian kingdom ministry has an article "could your child make a mature decision.

" it instructs parents to indoctrinate their kids to refuse blood and make themselves a martyr.

this, to me, was one of the most chilling sentences in the article (paragraph 3):

IT Support

Hi Haelcer ,

Thanks for posting this. Would you mind translating par. 2 into English?

From all the other editions, it appears the other paragraphs are all identical.

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Scandal of December 2005 km

by IT Support in

the december canadian kingdom ministry has an article "could your child make a mature decision.

" it instructs parents to indoctrinate their kids to refuse blood and make themselves a martyr.

this, to me, was one of the most chilling sentences in the article (paragraph 3):

IT Support

hideme, I've sent you a pm. (By the way, I forgot to mention before that was a great point you made about the ages of kids getting baptised.)

A poster who didn't want to be identified sent me the text of par 2 of the Australian km:

2. What Does the Law Say? In general terms, legislation in each Australian state allows a minor’s (anyone under 18) refusal to accept blood to be overruled where one or two doctors believe the minor needs blood to prevent his death or serious damage to his health. Several Australian Courts have said that if a child refuses to consent to treatment and has sufficient maturity and intelligence to understand the nature and implications of the proposed treatment, it is relevant and important. But this does not prevent the court from authorizing the medical treatment where it feels that the best interest of the child requires it. In many instances, however, even although the law may permit a minor’s refusal to accept a blood transfusion to be overridden, doctors have been disinclined to take this course where the minor shows that he is sufficiently mature to understand the gravity of his medical condition, the consequences of his treatment options, and can clearly and firmly express his personal objection to taking blood. Doctors or officials will likely interview the child to assess the measure of maturity that he has attained. The minor therefore needs to be able to express clearly his own religious belief concerning God’s law on blood.

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

IT Support

I'd like to suggest how each one of us can take an active part in publicizing BBN (Barbara's Big News)...

Someone mentioned early on in this thread (sorry, whoever you are, I couldn't face hunting through all the pages again to try to find who you are), that we need to prepare for the Big News. I totally agree with this comment, but how can we prepare?

Whatever the news is, we all want it to have maximum impact. To achieve that, we must publicize it as widely as possible. We can start NOW to compile a list of email addresses of people and organisations in our state / county / country who should be told about our Big News.

No doubt Barbara will give some suggestions what to say. But what kinds of people and organisations would we want on our email distribution list?

News agencies, journalists (including religious correspondents) in 'serious' newspapers and news magazines.
If the Big News is about blood, include medical associations and organizations and medical 'trade' magazines and journals, journalists who specialize in medical matters (medical correspondents).and don't forget government health departments. Remember also lawyers who have handled blood or child abuse cases or who specialize in family matters.
If the Big News is about a legal matter, include legal associations and organizations, lawyers' 'trade' magazines and journals and journalists who specialize in legal matters (legal correspondents).
If the Big News is about a medical legal matter, we'll have struck gold and will be able use all our researched email addresses.

For what it's worth, after a bit of digging around on Google and loads of web sites, I've got over 100 email addresses so far, from government ministers to news agencies to... You get the idea.

If everyone--of the thousands of people, from all over the world, who so far have viewed this thread--each compiled a similar email list, we would be certain our emails really would be like scorpions, inflicting massive pain and suffering on Watchtower! And don't they deserve it?

To our emails...!